Progress for the APBT

Okay so we're chugging along and finally the UKC has amended the APBT standard to prevent overdone dogs from winning in the rings (hopefully). It's just gotten kind of ridiculous. ONE breed has so much variation that we can barely say "Hey that's a APBT"

Amended UKC standard:
http://www.ukcdogs.com/WebSite.nsf/Breeds/AmericanPitBullTerrier

UKC imho needs to stop allowing dual registration. To the AKC the American Staffordshire Terrier is not the APBT so why is the UKC allowing dual registration at all? Yess the Amstaff came from the APBT but the AKC breeds for such different dogs that now due to dual registration we have Amstaff looking APBT's. Why can't the UKC just register the Amstaff as well...the AMSTAFF?!

In other news the American Bully is slowly breaking away from the APBT and for this I am glad. I am happy they now have their own registry system and hopefully people will be happy that they have American Bullies and stop calling them APBT's. There are even a handful of responsible breeders who are pushing for health testing and keep their dogs fits. Too many ambully breeders simply have FAT dogs and then try an brag about how awesome their dogs are and how huge they are.

So here's a little illustration on my views of the "types" of pitbull and their ideal fitness and form

Staffordshire Bull Terrier

This is Tess an nice example of a fit bitch

American Pitbull Terrier

Angus is a good example of a fit gamey type APBT dog


This is what I consider a good balanced dog this is what I expect to see outside of gamey types.

American Staffordshire Terrier

Here is what i feel is a nice fit amstaff dog to me the UKC needs to pull back from this type of dog being an APBT and add it as it's own breed.


A less conditioned example of the breed

American Bully

King Kamali a ambully a handsome dog but this should never win in a ring as an apbt EVER.


A taller Ambully example with a more balanced look


Two conditioned AmBullies

So yeah that's MY breakdown at least
Oh almost forgot to learn more about the American Bully registry their website is here:
The American Bully Kennel Club
http://www.abkcdogs.org/

Yeah I haven't been ranting much sorry about that I simply don't have the time.

To You O' Store Front Salesman

Why do you think it is such a great idea to breed your dogs and then try and sell them in from of Wal-mart, petsmart, Home Depot -insert other store here-. No I do not want to buy your $150 pitbull puppies you have sitting in a standard trailer in the 88 degree heat with no food water or shelter.

No i do not want you probably 6 week old puppies you bred from probably un-papered pitbull. How did you even get them there, holy hell please tell me you did not drag them there IN that trailer because that thing was made for MAYBE hauling hay not little puppies in the heat.

For that matter exactly why do you think you un-papered however old pitbull puppies should fetch 150 smackeroos with your great selling tactic of sitting out in the parking lot of a well travelled store with your cardboard sign? Who the hell is stupid enough to shell out that much change anyway?

I'm sorry, you mystify me BYB sell your puppies in front of -insert store here- man

Dog breed "Evolution"

Now here is my biggest pet peeve in the dog world at the moment. People breeding dogs to such extremes it becomes the standard. These extremes for the most part have not been benefiting the breed at all and are separated by most in the dog world as "show bred" and "work bred".

Now I would like to point out that neither party is ideal imho as show breeders breed for looks and often ignore the original functionality of the dog entirely; while work breeders often loose sight of long term use of a dog for high drives. Now not every show dog lacks the working drive and many more breeders are becoming interested in breeding dogs to be BETTER at what they are supposed to do BUT are also keeping within the original confirmation standards of the breed. Likewise not every working dog has had conformation ignored so they all look nothing like the original breed.

Unfortunately there are far more breeders who don't care and just want a cute/pretty dog to make puppies so they can sell them.

Here are some examples of what i mean in the discrepancies between work and show bred dogs:

Dachsund

Old Style:


AKC CH today:


Border Collie

Work:


Show:


Labrador retriever

Work:


Show:


Springer Spaniel

Work:


Show:


English Setter

Work:


Show:


And of course the German Shepherd one of the most popular dogs in this debate:

Work:


Show:


Of course MANY other breeds have been hit with the show bred stick and others like the Australian Shepherd have been hit with the "can I have that dog in a smaller size please?" stick.
And then we wonder when we have these dogs that are just miniature working dogs or prettier versions why they have all these problems behaviour wise. And differences aren't always between work and show bred, some examples are purely what the dog breed has become and it isn't necessarily an improvement on the original, take the dachsund and the english bulldog.

Of course bulldogs and bully breeds in general have suffered the most and any google search will show you that most of the time the dogs have to be bred by artificial insemination and puppies delivered by c-section because of the large head. We have gone so far as to make it that this breed could barely survive on it's own. There are those though that are trying to bring back the old look by creating such breeds as the olde english bulldogge
Olde English Bulldogge
vs
English Bulldog

Other places to read on this issue: (i am not endorsing the information on these sites just presenting them as additional reading)
http://www.workingpitbull.com/amstaffpit3.html
http://www.terrierman.com/rosettestoruin.htm
http://www.greys-holt-kennels.co.uk/pugarticle.htm
http://realgsd.ca/GSDinfo/Care/Jeanm/balance.htm
http://realgsd.ca/GSDinfo/WSblood/work_show.htm
http://www.bordercollie.org/akc.html

More Breeders and their Bad Ideas

I had to bite my lip to keep my mouth closed today. Was talking to a random acquaintance and they mentioned their friend brought their dog to school because she's close to having puppies. Apparently the dog is a mini dachshund they bred to a chihuahua.

I seriously tried hard not to gag as she mentioned how adorable the puppies were. She said this over and over as she tried to find myspace as I casually slipped in my opinions such as how "Oh wow hopefully they won't have all the genetic problems like some crippling spinal failure Hip Dysplasia or Elbow Dysplasia." She simply continued to blather on about how cuuuuute the puppies were. Give me a paper bag please.

It's finals sorry for the shot posts and lack of them all together. My next post will either be on WHY HD and ED dogs should not be bred or the degeneration of current breeds like 'teacup chihuahua's and how dachshund's legs keep getting shorter and shorter.

Hey want a Dashound?

First we have a BYB who lovingly mentions that they are NOT a puppy mill. Huzzah!

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THE PUPPY PLAYHOUSE
Malti-Tzu - 3 Females, 8 Males, mixed
colors, $400.00 each READY NOW
Bichon Frise- CKC- 1 Female $600.00,
1 Male $500.00 READY NOW
Maltese- CKC- 3 Females $600.00
Ready 10/24/07
All Toy Size, Non Shed, Lap Babies,
1st Shot, Dewormed, 72 Hour Health Guarantee
Hardeman Co. Saulsbury, TN
5 miles from Middleton on Hwy 57 731-376-0910 731-433-8537
( I'm NOT A PUPPY MILL)

Okay so lets see your dogs are crap registered with the CKC so their pedigree is as assured as a pounds best guess. The puppies are mutts plain and simple as you can't have a "breed" by crossing two others in the first generation. Oh and lovely of you to inform us you aren't a puppy mill, which of course you aren't. You don't have enough dogs for that but you sure as hell ARE a BYB. Good luck offing mutts for 400 each too bad people will probably buy these too.

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Yeah I have no idea what a dashound is either. Apparently these people do however:


CHIHUAHUA'S AND DASHOUNDS
READY TO GO TO A LOVING FAMILY... FAWN COLORED AND SPOTTED CHIHUAHUA'S AND BLACK AND TAN DASHOUNDS...SOME TEACUPS CHIHUAHUA'S ..SOME ARE REAL SMALL BUT NOT CONSIDERED TEACUP ... ..DIFFERENT SIZES .. GOOD RESONIABLE PRICES .. ..PLEASE CALL1-912-778-4408 ALL DOGS ARE CKC REGISTERED AND HAVE BEEN WORMED AND HAVE HAD PUPPY SHOTS ...PLEASE CALL DON'T MISS OUT ON A REALLY GOOD DEAL FOR THE KIND DOG YOU WOULD LOVE AND CHERISH.....THEY ARE REALLLY CUTE AND WE HAND RAISE THEM SO THAT THEY ARE SOCIABLE,WHEN YOU GET THEM ...


DASHOUND AND CHIHUAHUA MIXED
BEAUTIFUL PUPS 9 WEEKS OLD READY TO GO .. GREAT PERSONALITY'S ARE RED AND BLACK IN COLOR.. 2- FEMALES 1 MALE.. I HAVE 2- THAT ARE TWINS..THEY LOOK JUST ALIKE 1 GIRL AND 1 BOY.. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS ONE IS SMALLER THAN THE OTHER AND THE OTHER FEMALE IS BLACK AND TAN. THEY HAVE CKC PAPERS BUT ARE REGISTERED AS MIXED BREED .BOTH PARENTS ARE CKC REGISTERED ...PLEASE CALL 904-545-1903 ....THANKS

So here we not only have people that are so red-neck they can't spell one half of these mutt babies breeds but they're also the non existent classification of teacup, because we all know these dogs weren't small enough ALREADY. And yes as always CKC registered what a plus!
And people say that these stupid crap registries don't encourage stupid BYB's. Obviously it does, look how proudly they tote their CKC papers like it's a certification of these puppies being golden.

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Tomorrow (hopefully) I'll write up a post on why designer breeds are the stupidest things to hit the dog fad world.

Gigantooooooor

Brittany's Animal Crapdom

This place disgusts me, first of all very rarely will you EVER find a dog breeder that breeds more than one type of dog and they be anything close to an ethical breeder. This woman breeds not one not two but THREE different breeds of dogs. And does she do it ethically, not IMHO.

Apparently their motto is Size and beauty DOES matter. Good to know that breeding gigantic dogs for fad purposes matters.

"The proof of the quality of our dogs is in our clients' overwhelming satisfaction"
Right because we know the general public isn't just as satisfied buying dogs and puppies from pet stores and puppy mills. The general dog buying public is bound to be satisfied that they have their new fad gigantor dog so NO their is no proof in quality because the people who buy your dogs are happy with them.

"We do not believe in "fixing" or "training" a dog so that he can fit into your family situation. The trait we refer to as "Compliance" is genetic and we diligently breed for this. Right from the start your puppy will behave according to your wishes and be easy to live with and enjoy. And you will never need to see a trainer, use choke chains, pinch collars, clickers, food rewards, or any other gimmicks. Just the gentle Humane Connection Method^TM."

EXCUSE ME? Are you SERIOUS? I'm sorry I can not even BEGIN to argue the stupidity in this statement. I don't care how docile or compliant a dog is all dogs should receive at LEAST basic obedience training and it further proves this lady is a quack. If you dogs are 'low maintenance easy keepers' then you have completely destroyed the temperaments of all three of these breeds! there is no such thing a low maintenance dog and more than their is a low maintenance child!

Their rottweilers have become mastiffs with rottweiler colouring but apparently that's what they were going for as they claim rottweilers were originally bred to be mastiff dogs -rolls eyes-. I have a hard time getting through all the bs on this site. these people have either set up a really great bs system or have deluded themselves into believing breeding dogs that already are prone to Hip Dysplasia and Elbow Dysplasia should add MORE weight to those joints. Apparently Rottweilers are Italian not German who knew?

To me her rottweiler look like giant pigs compared to what a REAL (apparently she thinks American AND Germans in these three breeds are under-bred and mutts)
Under each of the breed pages they ramble about how THEIR -insert breed here- is different from all the other -insert breed here- yeah lady they are different. it's called being a gigantic BYB with no concerns for the true conformation of the breed.

Oh and lady you aren't that different there are tons of other crappy breeders like you that breed dogs 5 times the sizes they should be. Get your head out of your ass. Oh and if you don't advocate using training exactly how do you train those protection dogs of yours?

Delving further into her site you can see apparently on the puppy page they use plastic kiddie swimming pools for mamma and the pups? yeah great choice there lady. Go and use all the money you get from selling these monsters and invest in what we call a weaning box thank you.

Her health guarantee for HD a GENETIC problem ends at the age of 2, you know...the age you can ACTUALLY get them tested for HD? Preliminary tests are all that can be done before a dog is full grown. Like any good backyard breeder they tell you about how the vet has certified the health of their dogs and the puppies.

Wel whoop de freakin do. Get off you but and get them all OFA tested at the LEAST. better yet? Go and get those UGLY monstrosities of dogs spayed and neutered so we don't have to see rottweiler that look like this anymore.



THIS is a rottweiler, a Seiger winner and HD tested at that.



Now which one do YOU think is better conformation wise and will perform better in the jobs they were bred for? I would love to see one of her monstrosities in personal protection training versus one that is from a real working line. I doubt any of her dogs will ever see a Schutzhund 3 title, oh wait I'm sorry she don't care bout them silly titles hehe.

Today's bad adverts

Today we shall peruse some ads online and see the ridiculous "adoption fees" and some other trying to sell 'purebred non-papered pups'

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AKA Registered?
Black / silver male schnauzer pup 9 weeks old will trade for female from different line..
Call 912-496-4796 anytime leave message please.

Will trade? Are you serious? Yes I'm sure ethical breeders TRADE dogs all the time oh by the way this guy is AKA registered... er wha?

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Up next we have a designer breeder selling cute little Chi-a-poms

MUTTS for Sale!
Chi-a-pom babys.Chihuahua/Pomeranian Hybrid.3 males available, 2 chocolate,1 black.2 pom coats 1 chihuahua coat.Pups will be 4-6 lbs mature.Has had 1st set of shots & dewormed.7 weeks old.Raised under foot with children and other animals.Sweet,playful and waiting for a forever home.Price will be $250.00-$300.00 depending on size and coat.Contact April 912-538-1421 email me for pics of parents and pups at mailto:kountrybunkin418@yahoo.com

Oh yay I can get a unregistered mutt for the low low price of 300 weeeee. also not the mention of full grown size because we all know how tiny dogs make them SO much easier to manage, especially when you mix two hyperactive breeds like chihuahuas and Pomeranians.

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Here we have not dogs but reptiles

Geckos up for "Adoption"

1 Male Bell Albino Leopard Gecko- $105.00 adoption fee
3 Female Het Yellow Leopard Geckos- $65.00 adoption fee
1 Male Carrot Tail Leopard Gecko- $155.00 adoption fee
1 Female Carrot Tail Leopard Gecko- $100.00 adoption fee
Juvenile Carrot Tail Leopard Geckos- $50.00 adoption fee
Juvenile Het Yellow Leopard Geckos- $35.00 adoption fee

1 Male Harelequin Crested Gecko- $140.00 adoption fee
1 Female Crested Gecko- $85.00 adoption fee
Juvenile Crested Geckos- $45.00 adoption fee

Pics coming soon...if you are familiar with these breeds then you will not be disappointed with this collection. Also e-mail me at stremland@yahoo.com for any set up equipment(tanks,heat lamps, etc.) Prices vary

I would like to point out these are NOT adoption prices for these animals They are selling these for exactly how much they are worth though I can't judge without pictures but if you go to a pet store you can get a nice leo morph for 35. 155 for a carrot tail? These suckers better look like http://theurbangecko.com/ for that to be an adoption fee.

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Oh and did you know for the deal price of $400 you can get one of the babies from the razor's edge line? May I also point out his location is Ft. Stewart a military post? Are we really going to be in military housing and setting up a breeding operation? Really?

Pitbulls for Sale

We have pit bull puppies for sale. 5 girls and 3 boys. All are registered and have shots, they are available starting today. There are 2 brendle, 4 black , 2 dark fawn/ red nose. They have razors edge bloodline. If interested please feel free to ask any questions. The pics below are a couple weeks old, they are bigger than that now, I will post some recent pics in a couple days.

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Or these for the same price that have no papers at all!

'Purebred' Pitbulls

PIT BULL PUPPIES FOR SALE MOTHER IS RED NOSED AMBER BRINDLE, NOT REGISTERED FATHER IS BLUE PIT BRINDLE, NOT REGISTRED BEAUTIFUL PUREBRED PUPPIES, BUT NO PAPERS READY 10/31, $400 FIRM CALL 912-925-9274, 912-572-8907, 912-925-3317 ASK FOR DEBBIE, OR LEAVE MESSAGE

I like how they point out they are not willing to budge on the price for their non-registered dogs of questionable origin. Yet somehow they are "beautiful purebred puppies" Love that, they are not purebred if they don't have PAPERS! I would love to see your tracking of the line back through their parents to show they are 'purebred'.

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When will people learn purebred means that unless you created the breed yourself you have to have papers? Just because you have two dogs with no papers you THINK is 100% APBT does not mean it is 100% APBT and if it's not 100% it's not purebred.

Why won't you work?!

I hate you so much right now blogger coding from hell

Fugly "Pitbulls"

PLEASE for the love of GOD stop breeding fugly pitbulls. I'm looking at you Razor's Edge and Gotti. They claim to want to promote the proper pitbull but do you see the SIZE of the ugly chunky monkeys? When did a pitbull, the sleek and athletic dog become synonymous with short, wide beasts?

I don't see how anyone can justify the bulldog looking barrels are ANYTHING but wring wrong wrong in conformation to what the American Pitbull Terrier should be. What you are breeding is NOT the American pitbull terrier. It's a bulldog wannabe or as the smart ones have done changed the name to a new breed called the American Bully.

What is so sad is that people BRAG about having these bloodlines -shakes head in despair- and people wonder why pitbulls get such a bad rap? It's because of crappy ass breeders like these who produce ridiculous looking dogs, byb's and bad owners.

At LEAST Razor's Edge puts in places it's breeding American Bullies but for the most part they still advertise all over the place as selling APBT's.

If you're 'all for proper conformation' show your dogs and get them titled. You people live in America and while the AKC doesn't recognise the APBT, UKC and ADBA do so get of your but and PROVE that your massive 100 lb pitbull somehow conforms.

See for yourself the fugly:
http://www.gottiline.com/
Fat squat ugly keg on paws dogs
http://www.razorsedgekennel.com/
At least they are now calling them the proper new title of american bully rather than apbt
http://www.bullybluepits.com/
OMG what the hell are you trying to do most of these dogs have such TERRIBLE leg structure they are 90% of them severely out at the elbow or bow-legged.
http://www.bluepridekennels.com/
Pffft "Our Goal is to produce very correct dogs with great looks from head to tail and with the least faults possible."yeah please those chunkies are not BALANCED and thus NOT an APBT worthy of breeding and definitely not conformationally sound

I could go on for days but we'll leave it at that for now before the people who call these wide and lows APBT's come screaming at me.

What a pitbull SHOULD look like:
http://matrixkennels.com/
http://workingpitbull.com/

If you want to contest my opinion PLEASE make use of this here lovely illustrated website which CLEARLY shows the PROPER conformation on a pitbull:
http://apbtconformation.com/

For those that are interested in the pitbulls turned bulldogs see the American Bully standard here:
http://www.eliteedgeworld.com/Breedstandard.asp

Why Your CKC Papers are WORTHLESS!

The CKC is notorious for giving out papers to mixed breeds designer dogs and the like as well as giving false registration papers as was seen recently with the person with a 10 month old dog ending up being a 1.5 year old pregnant dog. CKC papers do not guarantee in the least that the dog is pure-bred. Also any breeder can post ads on their website and there is no screening, CKC is basically the home of all the ill-reputed breeders who can't get their dogs papered by the UKC or AKC or other registrations with strict services.

To get papers all you need is for a few of your friends to agree and say Oh yeah it's a purebred dog! NO reputable breeder would use this registry. How can you claim to be when they have such lax registration requirments?!

Sources
http://www.terrificpets.com/forum/2475.asp
http://www.anutta.com/standardpoodles/ckc.htm
http://www.wonderpuppy.net/kc.htm

Varied Opinions

Sarcastic Spoof Site

(Please note this refers to the Continental Kennel Club and NOT the Canadian Kennel Club)